Hari 🕉
After Greetings!!
Somewhere in Virtual Media Group, someone raised a query - "What is the Origin of Sin"?
Is it Intelligence first or ignorance first ?
If intelligence is first why ignorance *emanates*
If ignorance is first there is every logical possibility of *evolving into intelligence*
The Nasadeya suktha of Rigveda tells about complex origin of universe but has not answered my doubt (sorry may be my intelligence level is incompatible to ascertain one though there exists an answer)
And now I want somebody to simplify the complexity 🙏🙏
ANSWER & THE EXPLANATION
Humbly, in my opinion- simply, it is ignorance or avidhya of the divine nature. There is no complexity at all. The point of discussion is a subtle one and so the approach to comprehend need be subtle (out of the world) and *NOT* with mundane, limited & conditioned thought process of the Material Plane.
The question mentioned, wouldn’t be *TRUELY* answered anywhere. The answers have to be deduced *independently,* by the individual selves or BMII after deliberations of interospections, retrospections & inner experiences. And even if one can get the answer, he or she cannot answer to any such question of any other.
*If at all there is a reference somewhere to answer the question, it may be only apparent and cannot convince the seeker in the long run.*
Also, In reality, there is no first or second. These are relative terms of references. The ignorance or avidhya is a superimposition over the Intelligence (which is nothing but part of the Infinite Intelligence).
By practices of Dharma Anustanams, Dhyana and other etc, whatever prescribed *BUT* with an attitude of surrender, the Thinking Faculties / BMI are purified and comprehension is possible to the core with constant perseverance.
Then on there is no seeker or sought or query and no existence or universe (which is all Maya).The ‘veil of ignorance’ is removed by knowledge of our own self.
Eg. 1# Our own Dream World which appears so very real- in the dream. But when we come to waking state(of this material plane) there is no such existence.
2# Narada’s Vishnu Maya episode from Puranas.
Just to refresh, It entails to maintain an *attitude of total surrender & sraddha* (without any reference to our mundane existence)in our practices of conduct (including such study of scriptures) in the *so called lives* on this material plane.
Further, on the question( *Root of fate* ); this is to put forward a referenced opinion to the question as being futile or endless pursuit as per learned Masters of yore / present & Sastras. And that it would end us in a "Maya within Maya"
This is the standard answer usually one gets for this question as the Answer is not there really...we have to take solace in submission that as we go deeper in pursuit of it will lead us into Maya within Maya ...
But there is and must be a definite Answer in scriptures hidden.🙏🙏
Only by purifying ourselves (as we are predominantly impure by & from birth) at the culmination of which & other Anustanams we become aware of our true self ( which we always are but unaware or forgotten) & when this question automatically disappears.
This is a point of introspection & retrospection and not of a debate.
Such concepts cannot bu understood just like that. We need to *step out* of by birth conditioned material world concept with an overall perception to comprehend, the situation.
Many of the World's mundane concepts, themselves we wouldn't be in a position to comprehend with our limited mental faculties.
Just imagine, what could be our state of affairs with such subtle concepts.
For example, we have limitations with our gross physical sensors of hearing, sighting, smelling, touch, body movements. So is with our subtle instruments as brain, Intellect etc. But our gross embodiment's subtle instruments are comparatively unlimited- especially with imaginations, thoughts, dreams etc. Yet our subtle instruments are limited ( from absolute point of view) due to the conditioning of the material world.
That is why, I said, we would end up " Maya within maya" with our current State of *Material World-referenced Mind* , in the quest of such questions.
Sanathana Dharma prescribes 5 level learning process including puranas, ithihasas, Veda Purvam & Vedantham and above all the Anushtanams, the Pancha mahayagna.
As I mentioned previously, the purification process( all listed in the previous para forms this) enables us / the embodiment to graduate to the Introspection & Retrospection level.
On constant practice of intro & retrospections we come to know of our true self and then- *as I said previously the question disappears- "as never asked or as ever answered or obvious".*
Of course the answers could be hidden in the scriptures but currently beyond our comprehension- despite extreme mastery of all of the scriptures and extempore recitation or rendition. Because we are conditioned to the material world.
Ultimately, the quest is to know our *inner self common to all* that is created or not created or anhillated & not mere physically mastery of the scriptures.
The *irony* is at one point of time in our spiritual quest ( Including the answer to your question of 'Root of fate')- we have to *renounce* even the Scriptures, it's so called mastery, the Anushtanams etc etc ( *highest level of renouncement)* That is an altogether a different level- which itself is beyond our comprehension.
To another question of 'collective wisdom'. That wouldn't be possible because as mentioned previously, each and everyone is in a unique state of conditioning. How could then a 'collective wisdom' for something unknown, abstract & subtle.
But definitely , with like minded interests we could join together in the Purification Process of the mind by hellping each other in crises, sharing references of crisis situations needing support or assistance somewhere. We could share thoughts & experiences.
Being a Satsangi and in Satsangam can facilitate to maintain the quest constant as a reminder ( because we all are Gajinis- WITH SHORT TIME MEMORY LOSS & in the mundane material life are any time & at any level of spiritual quest vulnerable to drastic fall to the bottom) Satsangam is a tool or instrument there are others too and together shall entail into The Wisdom or knowledge of self.
Jai Hind! Jai Sanathana Dharma!👍🤝🙂🫡🙏
